All right. Welcome back, guys. Today we have Katy Valentine. Katy, would you like to introduce yourself? Sure. I’m Katy. I’m an American living in Ireland, which has its own little fun cachet to it. And I’m a spiritual strategist and coach, and I help leaders and entrepreneurs experience healing and learn to increase the ripple effect here on planet Earth.

The ripple effect. I love that we’re going to get to that. But first, let’s talk about your ADHD journey or what that looks like for you. Yeah, So this is a fairly recent realization for me. And I laugh a little bit because I have a lot of experience with therapy in the mental health field and doing my own inner work.

And I’ve actually referred people to potential ADHD counseling and and testing before, but never quite put all the pieces of my to my own journey until really recently. So a few months ago I was I run my business, been coaching business and I have a really challenging time making a backwards plan and sticking to deadlines. My poor VA has a lot of last minute like, what about this?

Better the other and finally get it all the pieces in place and trying to make it back was planned for the year was really frustrating me. I couldn’t put all the pieces together. I couldn’t see it. This was a problem for me when I was writing my dissertation. I’m trying to make it backwards. Plan for a multi chapter book was really, really challenging.

Ended up just kind of not doing it or definitely didn’t meet any of the deadlines. If I did do it. That’s a challenge for a lot of people. I’ve worked with several clients on their dissertations and it really is like, I know you have a coach too, but like a lot of people will hire a coach to have somebody that’s like holding the big picture.

Yeah. Or them, Is that what you’re. I think that’s hard. Yeah, that’s exactly what I mean. I think that’s hard for a lot of people, but ADHD neurodiverse people are going to have a harder time. Yeah. With that. And I thought, I’m very well educated, I’m bright conceptually. I can see that this should be easy and it’s not.

Why isn’t it kind of had this revelation? Maybe it’s because your you have ADHD or you have ADHD tendencies. So at the tender age of 46, I had this moment. I started doing even more research and reading because I’d already done quite a bit for my own clients in the past and I thought I fit enough of these where I think that this is a thing.

Yeah. So I read, I read out, I hired my own ADHD coach to give a little bit of support, a little bit of help, and I went downstairs and I think I said to my husband, I think I might have ADHD if he looked at me, was like, Is this revelation to you? That’s always been like the people that know you best in life are always like, you think like, right?

It’s like, Yeah, well, yeah, it is a revelation, but it was a hard identity thing. Actually, tell me more about that. What do you mean? Yeah. Because, and I don’t know, I guess I had really unconsciously pigeonholed someone who’s neurodiverse someone with ADHD, someone with someone with that. And I tried really hard not to pigeonhole people because I don’t think that’s helpful.

Yeah, but accurate recognition of how our brains work is exceedingly helpful. Yeah, in life. But I just never thought of myself as someone with ADHD because I had unconsciously thought this must be relate to five year old boys who can’t stop running around. Yeah. Yeah. So I like commenting for people to think. Right, right. And I consciously knew that wasn’t the case, but I still have that.

And unconscious bias. Yeah. And so many people are getting diagnosed at about we are the same age. You mentioned 46. So we’re the same age. But so many people are coming to me like in their forties and in their fifties getting diagnosed just recently. And, and yours is just kind of like you realize and you have these tendencies.

But another one that you mentioned was the sensory overload. Tell us how that shows up for you. Way sensory overload. So especially sound some material and things that are touching my skin. So my family would laugh when I was little because I would always get shoes that were like three sizes too big. Yeah, You’ll never see me in heels.

Ever, ever, ever. I just don’t wear them. It’s not. It’s not worth it to me. They’re not only uncomfortable, it’s the only thing I can think about, but sound is the really big one. And so even I remember as a teenager, falling asleep would be really challenging if I was in a group setting slumber party camp, whatever it was.

And when I discovered the magic of those little foam earplugs, my life literally changed. Like, really just literally changed. That’s a good tip for people. yes. Now I have earplugs. They’re also amazing, and they’re really a little better for the environment and going riding in a car with people who are playing the music. I’m always asking, Can you turn it on?

The music people, cell phones going off. The little beeps will just send my brain into total overdrive and it sends me into an aggravated anger state that takes a significant amount of time to come down from. Yeah. So my husband, I don’t think, quite understood that when we, when we first moved in together because he would say, you never answer.

When I call I was like, I don’t answer when you call because my phone is on Silent Mind. It’s always on Silent Constant. Yeah, yeah. I was like, it sounded silent. I won’t get any work done and then I’ll be answering it. Now. I can’t just go for the beep back to my normal state of getting things done.

Yeah. So those are really, really big ones. And that’s exposure therapy. Does nothing for that. really? That’s interesting. Yeah. At least in my case. Yeah. Or just exposure, increase exposure doesn’t it does not help that situation. So you know, I finally have had to accept it and then find the workarounds that work for me. Yeah. And I was telling Katy that I might I have some sensory issues.

So some of it is like overhead lights at, you know, especially at night,

But some of it is overhead lights, especially if it’s the time that I’m supposed to be winding down. I have a really hard time with the overhead lights, even though I will complain during the day about a room being too dark.

And so it’s like make up your mind. And then one big one is like, I have a hard time with like big box stores or Wal-Marts or things like that. It’s the lighting, it’s the people, it’s the like all the products. It’s just too much. It’s like an overload. You mentioned that. You mentioned you had an experience. Yeah.

Yeah. No, I’m the same. It’s and I was I was reflecting definitely those when I’m in a jar being jostled. I don’t like it, but especially if I’m with someone else and I’m having to navigate them and the crowd and the sensory overload and all the stuff I find if I’m by myself, I navigate it much more easily because I can really kind of hyper focus on the path in front of me and make my own decisions.

But trying to take care of someone else and myself is too much. So I don’t have children and this is a problem. So I’ve never had to try to navigate this like with a stroller or something like that. But you with another adult who’s thinking and walking and making their own conscious decisions. Yeah, yeah. I think my workaround for that is I just don’t navigate them.

So the problem that my husband has is I will just disappear and I will see something that I want to go see or whatever. And so I just go and I don’t say anything. And he’s like, You’re just we’re gone. And I’m like, I know. And he he’s kind of just decided that that’s just how life is. And and then your phone’s on silent, so he can’t go.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I’ll check it though. I’ll check it if I, if I’ve lost him. But another thing is I feel like a bad person because he can’t, like, be he can’t whistle around me because it’s just such a pitch that like I, it hurts. It actually physically hurts my ears. And so we were in the truck, I think this was just yesterday or the day before, and he starts whistling to the song and I’m like, Can you not?

And I’m like, If anybody were in the car with us, I would look like such a jerk. And but it’s just it hurts. Like, I don’t I don’t know what else to do except, like, ask him to please not do it or put in, you know, like you mentioned the loops. Those are fantastic. I found just some generic product too, on Amazon that I got before for I knew about loops that just kind of like it’s like an ear plug, but it has like a hole through it, so it locks in a certain amount of sound.

Right? And actually I got those because I would go on trips with my friend and her kids. My kids are kind of quiet. Her kids were very loud, though, and just rambunctious boys, you know. And I noticed the backs of my ears would be in pain by the end of the trip. But if I put in these these ear plugs, I didn’t have a problem.

And so that was super helpful. But yeah, there’s just some times where I’m like, I just feel like I kind of look like a jerk, but I’m just standing up for what I need. Like, I know you just need a Yeah, but you mentioned and go ahead. to say the other thing that I just can’t, can’t do is taking like when people make a little ticking noise.

So on, on podcasts, on TV, I’ll just turn it off. They’ve lost me. There’s certain sounds that my kids will make where I’m like, again, I feel like a jerk, but I’m like, Do you not like one of them will, like, pop their mouth the certain way? And I’m like, Or crack their knuckles on. And it just makes me seem like I’m trying to control everyone.

Right? But it’s it’s just. I don’t know. I’m just doing what I can for myself. So that you mentioned like that, like getting really angry and having to come down from it. And sometimes it’s just a matter of like it frightens me or it’s painful or yeah, it is very agitating. So I just, I want to talk about that because I just want to kind of normalize that for people.

Like if you’re having sensory issues and I agree, like, I just I have found the sheets that work. If I sleep in a hotel that has like a scratchy pillowcase or something, I’m not going to sleep. Well, you mentioned that like group setting. I was a Girl Scout leader and we went to SeaWorld to sleep, which I love the ocean like we’re in the tanks, you know, we’re in the room that’s like real dark and it has the tanks.

And I was like, that would be that’s going to be amazing. It’s going to be so great. I did not sleep the whole night. And I just I could not sleep. And I think that group setting is is part of what that was like, the noise from the other people. Like just Yeah, that’s that’s very interesting but I just want people to know like if you have sensory issues like I think a lot of people feel like they’re being rude when they stand up for what they need.

Or I know some of my friends that have ADHD that have children, like sometimes them physically needing you, wanting to be helpless or something like that can be very difficult sometimes because of sensory issues and that, you know, then you have a whole mom guilt situation going on. Right. But I want to I want to make sure we have time for everything.

So I’m going to move on from this. But you mentioned procrastination being a problem for you. Yeah, definitely. And it’s it’s one of those things where I know in my head the procrastination is usually the avoidance of a feeling. Yes. Yeah. And not, yes, not, not actually procrastinating the task but something about the time management piece which, which is horrible for me, But the procrastination piece comes into play because I’m really good at getting things done at the last minute I get fired up, I can produce, I can turn it out.

It’s, you know, it’s really bad to know that you can write a 20 page paper in a day. No one needs to know that about themselves. But once you do, it’s easy to replicate except when you can’t. And then there’s going to come a time when you really are too exhausted where you can’t get your brain fired up to complete the last minute thing.

Or there’s too many last minute things and then I just go into sleep mode. Tell, tell me what sleep mode means to you. Yeah. It’s like I’ll, I’ll get so exhausted because there’s too many dangling threads or too many last minute things or it feels too overwhelming. I don’t feel like I can chunk it down or it just it feels like too much and I literally just get sleepy.

Like I usually go to my bed for an hour, sleep or rest and then come back and try to manage it. So now there’s a lot more tools that I’ve got at my disposal to be able to do that. But it’s it’s not a good combination to be a procrastinator and also be able to pull it off. Yeah.

Because that does not actually teach me. To be able to back things up and again the inability to make it backwards plan or it’s not really an inability. It had been an inability. Well and when you say pull it off, it’s not that you’re not dealing with stress I imagine. no it’s very stressful. Yeah. And, but you just manage to get it done and then.

Yeah it is, it is kind of dangerous to like, realize, okay, I can just I can actually wait till the day before and just get this done. But I’ll just I’ll just deal with the stress and the and the aftermath and have a lot of my clients. Right. Yeah, I have a lot of my clients that are like, you know, I just can’t do this anymore.

I can’t continue to do these last minute things. And, you know, it might be because they’re getting older or they’re just realizing like the stress is not worth it and that that’s where they come to me and want help so that they’re not doing this. And we work on their time management and breaking these things up. You mentioned you got to coach because of the inability to break things up, the inability to break things up.

And I realized it was really causing a stress to my team. And that’s not what I want. And I don’t want my clients to suffer as a result of that either, even though a lot of that’s quite invisible to them. It’s just so much calmer if you’re doing a launch to have put all completes out of time when possible.

Absolutely, Yeah. So learning this and I think learning to manage the emotions because there’s some shame around it. There’s a lot of shoulds that come into our heads. There’s, I think, a story of, well, I’ve been successful. I have this degree, whatever it is, so I should just be able to do this and figure it out on my own.

And I that I have a podcast episode that is I should I should be able to do this myself. I think it’s the title of it. And the point is that a lot of people don’t seek help or seek coaching and because they feel like they should be able to do it themselves and they spend so much time trying to do it themselves instead of just getting that effectively, usually.

Yeah. Yes, exactly. And so I’m just getting the help and like taking the the shortcut, essentially. But one thing we were kind of nerding out on planners a little bit. I have like really dialed in my time management between like I have a digital calendar and I have a planner and how this works for me is I’m always open to the month view.

And so I’m seeing like big things that are coming. My personal coaching where I get coached is in the month view. This is also on my digital calendar, but here it’s like out of the black box. I like to call it. You know, the black box could be referring to the computer or my phone or whatever. Once it’s in the black box, like the screen is dark, like it’s, it’s out of my mind.

And so I have like my, my current to do lists. People that follow along with me know that I have like a now not now system with my to dos. Basically if it doesn’t matter very soon, it does not go on my list. It goes on my not now list and it just sits there and it just waits.

And then now list is the things that matter now and the things that really really matter a.S.A.P are highlighted. And those are the things that I will make sure I get that done that day. And then the rest of the list kind of sits there and it doesn’t stress me out because I’m like, I got the things done that really, really, truly matter.

And so that’s my system. But you had you had a planner that you were really enjoying. Tell us about that. I do. And your system sounds like a modified version of the Eisenhower. interesting. I have. I have heard of that. And I’ve probably read it and taken it, absorbed it and forgot about it. Yeah, there’s four boxes, not two.

So I think that’s the major difference. Yeah. So this planner is called Well, I’ll preface this by saying I’m someone who is always in search of the perfect planner. You know, the one that will make me be able to do the backwards plan and chucking things down and. Right. And is time. Well, and then they don’t exist. So I’m one of those people all have 14 planners they’re all have two pages use.

But I got this one which is designed for people with ADHD and it’s called I’m Busy Being Awesome. So we’ll give a little quote, this ADHD person. Paula Engebretsen I don’t know how to say her. The first name was Paula, though, and the name is the name of the planner is so clear. Like I think people will find it if they want it.

But it was funny when we were talking before, she’s like, is this your planner? I’m like, No, mine’s right here. It’s coming. I delivered. I actually have a former client that we are working on a planner project together and we have been we’ve created kind of a Trello board for it and have been kind of dumping our ideas in it.

And I’ve been trying out different planners and I have a little stack of them behind me of like basically opening them up and going, Nope, that’s not the way. Yeah, but what? Go ahead. Well, I like this one’s undated, so that’s really handy. Yes. And so you never feel sort of shame that there’s, you know, a month where you didn’t fill anything in.

But actually what was really helpful about this, she has a small little video series to show you how to use it. Yeah. And right away she gives you permission to say, if you don’t use every single thing in here, it’s okay. Yeah. Use what works for you. And the the sort of unconscious shame I had about not being able to use the planner correctly was really tangible, and I didn’t even know it until that moment in time.

Yeah. And so now I feel like I have this permission and this freedom to use what works. It’s so interesting that she said that because I will. And you talked about the undated things because I’ve noticed the what I have settled on was recommended by a client and you guys can probably see that it’s the tool planners. And what’s interesting about them is when I got this planner, there were some things I just took right out of it and because it’s a desk type planner, things go in and go out very easily.

And but when I when I got it, I’m like, I am absolutely never going to use that. That’s gone. I just sat that aside and had no shame about it whatsoever and was able to like, move things to the point where it’s like, No, my to do list really needs to be front and center. Let’s put that like right there.

But I was saying like kind of a problem that’s going into my bank of like this is not ADHD friendly is now my to do is kind of covering up part of my monthly plan which doesn’t make me happy. So I’m working on that. But we could nerd out on planners forever, I’m sure, especially once you get your time management dialed in guys, you can do anything.

And it took me I like to tell my clients when when we’re working on time management, I like to tell them. It took me a year of going back to my coach and saying, No, this isn’t working. And like working on things. And and I don’t mean that you have to do it with a coach, but what I mean is if you are working on your time management, don’t expect it to happen overnight.

Don’t expect it to happen in 30 days like it may like like it did for me. Take a full year for it really to be dialed in where I look at my calendar every day, where everything goes on my calendar, where appointments are always there. There’s very few like calendar mistakes that ever happened. And so that’s that’s just important.

It really gets helps me get a lot done. But one thing I wanted to talk about, I’ve had a former client who was a shamanic healer, but I’m not real clear on what it is. Could you tell us about it? I think I think there’s some misconceptions. You said that word gets thrown around a lot. I want to know what that is exactly.

Yeah. So a shaman, the word shaman comes from a Siberian tribe, and it means one who knows. Interesting. And so that’s a broad definition. We now apply the word shaman pretty cross-culturally to a particular type of person. And I myself am not a shaman. I am a shamanic practitioner. So little distinction there. Okay. The title shaman, for what that’s worth, should really come from the community.

So the community should recognize that this person is doing significant work. This person is being helpful in terms of functionality. I’m not sure it really matters. The distinction doesn’t really matter. Yeah, I’m so much of the practitioner that I’ve been formally trained and I am someone who my self and then those that I work with, I facilitate opportunities for us to go to the other world, to the spirit world, to collect valuable information and bring it back for the good of the individual and the tribe.

Okay, How does that work? How does that work? So usually it works with me. This is a powerful tool and not the only tool getting my drum and drumming a little bit to help people get into a slightly altered state of consciousness. Okay. Facilitating what we call a journey, a journey for them that’s appropriate for whatever the problem is that they’re having to go and visit their guides, their angels, their power animals.

Okay, I’m spirits are wanting to help them. Yeah. I’m fascinated by the guides, the angels like all of that. I’ve done a lot of reading and things on that and it’s just so interesting to me. Yeah. And so that’s that’s what I love. That’s why I love to do this. What I’m doing quite a bit of my time when I’m working individually with clients and with groups.

And so the shamanic practitioner then is someone who helps facilitate opportunities for people to have some of these experiences themselves. And if they can’t, then I can do some of that for them. And is there a certain amount of self work with this as well? Always, always, always, always. So the healing has to the personal healing has to come first and then we go on our own journey and then we take it to the community.

So I’ve been doing spiritual work professionally for a long, long time now. I’m also an ordained minister. I’ve been a spiritual coach for about eight years and the shamanism piece came relatively late. That’s just a few years old now, but it’s completely revolutionized the way that I now approach my clients and the kind of work that I do.

The framework. Yeah, and it sounds like I assume we’re talking about Christianity. And would this go right along with Christianity? How does that work? Well, certainly there’s going to be a lot of conservative evangelical Christians who are going to tell, you know, that it doesn’t. But in my mind, certainly it does, because shamanism in its best state should reduce human suffering and should put people in in direct contact with the spirit world as much as possible in order for us to live our best lives, in order for us to make the Earth the best place that it can be.

So in terms of Christianity, that’s what Jesus does. Jesus is one who came to Earth to reduce human suffering. We have, you know, the stories, whether you take them literally or not, of healings, of good news for the poor, of bringing the good news, of bringing the Kingdom of God to earth, and someone who’s in direct contact with the Spirit world in order to bring like literally heaven to earth.

So this is shamanism is not about dogma. Shamanism is not a religion in and of itself. It’s a form of spirituality that can be practiced in many different religions, in no religion and across many different cultures. Very industry culture will have their own way of doing it. Yeah,

the healing itself. Like how does that happen? Is that something that automatically happens? Are there realizations that happen from that? Are there certain things that people learn about and apply to their lives?

Like how does the healing itself happen? Yeah, so I think this is really contextual and every individual is going to be different. So it depends on what they’re bringing. But from my perspective, we all have wounds, some of us deeper, deeper wounds from different parts of our lives that are both emotional and that will have physical manifestations within us.

So with shamanic tools, we can go on a journey to find out maybe the source or the origin of that particular problem and do some healing work with it. Like right before this call, I was working with someone to recover soul pieces that they lost due to a traumatic event from childhood. Yeah, and some of us aren’t going to know what that means.

Exactly. What do you mean when you say soul pieces? Yeah. And so this is, again, from a stream on it perspective. But when we experience trauma, whether it’s a car accident, whether it’s just falling down when we’re little, you know, new skin, your knees really, really badly, or whether it’s because someone deliberately harmed us with abuse, with fight with with anything that caused harm to us, The theory is that our parts of our soul will flee because they want to be safe.

They don’t feel safe. So a little piece flees here. A little piece flees. There. They go to the other world where they’re very safe because they’re surrounded by spirit. But our soul wants to be unified. That wants to be whole. And so when we can recover these soul pieces and bring them back to us, that’s where we experience healing.

Very interesting. So this can be emotional, it can be spiritual, it can be physical. But sometimes healing doesn’t mean cure. Same. Worry about that. Yeah. So sometimes healing means that we’re reconciled, that we feel more at peace with ourselves. Okay. So I think we have a misunderstanding, actually, of physical healing, especially in the Western world, that it has to look a certain way or it means that we lived to be 250 or something like that.

We sometimes treat death as if it’s a moral failure rather than simply part of our life, where we’re transitioning from this state that we know very well to whatever it is that comes next. Yeah, So someone might experience really profound healing on their deathbed, but not being physically cured, right. Okay, that makes sense. Emotional. Yeah. Emotional resolve, relationships restored, coming to peace with themselves.

Maybe. Maybe they have something that they want to confess from an early part of their life that they never told anyone. That’s going to produce dramatic healing, which we want as much healing to happen before death as possible. So there’s so many ways that shamanic practices can be beneficial. Yeah. And did I see in your bio and I might be incorrect about this, but that you work with professionals and entrepreneurs.

I do, yes. Okay. And you bring this work into that? Yes, I do, because I entrepreneurs are such a creative bunch and they’re changing the world and they’re living generally someone becomes an entrepreneur because they’re really passionate about something. Yeah. And I know in my entrepreneurial journey, I mean, I came to this from the academic world, which does not prepare you for entrepreneurship whatsoever.

But I found that my entrepreneurial journey really invited me to do more healing work, that I had no idea that it would do. And so I find many entrepreneurs are very lonely. They’re very passionate about the message that they want to get out there to the world. And sometimes what’s impeding them is their state of healing. you’ve just checked every box for me.

Yeah, absolutely. And you can only get your business as far as you can get yourself right, is what I’m finding anyway. And it’s an extension of you. Yeah. And if I want to grow the business, I have to grow myself. And so that sounds like that’s what you’re helping people do, is heal and grow. Yes. Yeah. 1,000% of the time I don’t think that shamanism is the only way to do that, but it’s been a very powerful way.

And for me to do it and when I bring it to others, the right, the people that are attracted to this kind of thing have benefited from it. Yeah, Yeah. And I like to think that there’s just something for everyone. And this is this is going to be for some people. And so. Yeah, yeah. What do you what have we not talked about that you think would be important for adults, professionals and entrepreneurs with ADHD?

What do they need to know from you? You know, I think what’s kind of coming to mind is that, like I said, I come here from the academic world and I was thinking about procrastination and how many conferences have I’ve been at where people are racing to print out the paper that they’re about to deliver in like 5 minutes.

So I think that academia and actually I think the spiritual world too is filled with people who are neurodivergent and don’t know what academics are. Often not all, but many academics are attracted to a semester, a class that’s structured because it’s. Yeah, a structure. Yeah, it’s very structured and it’s short term deliverables. Yeah, right. That and so that definitely makes sense to me.

In the spiritual world, we can flit sort of from modality to modality to modality and try a little bit of that and try a little bit of that. And this angel and that angel and this religion in that religion, nothing wrong with that. But we also need to find space to find the. And so I think if anyone’s listening, then find yourself in one of these worlds and think that this may be of service to you.

Right. That your neurodiversity is actually a huge help because it drives forward these particular two industries and is filled with creativity and that there’s space right there, space to be spiritual there, space to be logical, there’s space to be academic minded and to bring all the women, all the practicality together with this layer of creativity and learn to manage time at the same time.

I remember when I when I first was talking to my husband about something and I’m like, this is kind of woo. And he’s like, It’s what he did not he did not understand that term. So for people that may not understand that term, what does that mean? Woo is the sort of way out there thing that you thought you would never thought you would never do with your spiritual life, and you never thought you’d be holding a crystal, but suddenly you are and you find that it really helps you.

That’s a good definition of whew. Yeah. For me, intangibles. Yeah, yeah. For me, what it looks like is reading a book on something that I probably on my own would have never thought like, these people have a point like this. I can see how this would be true. And for me, it would be kind of like out there.

But I’m like, I can pull that into my belief system. I can pull that into my everyday life. And what I think, you know, is part of what is reality for me. And so that’s that’s what that looks like for me. And I’m very open minded about that kind of thing. I can see truth in a lot of things.

And so yeah, that’s for people that don’t know, that’s what we do is like, So Woo is a spirituality. You probably don’t want to tell your grandma about. that’s a great definition. And if you were in the eighties, it was the stuff that Nancy Reagan and Shirley MacLaine were doing. Really now Shirley MacLaine and Steve and Nancy Reagan.

Really, She was. she was like really into past lives and energy and like to probe into that kind of thing, you know, all of which I kind of enjoy. So. Yeah. And so actually, Nancy, Nancy, Drew, Nancy and I this is not I’m not a political scientist, but do you see, like in American politics, really tried to veer away from that kind of spirituality for a long time to disassociate from her because people were kind of weirded out about it.

So I think that’s why we’ve seen such a rise in more explicit conservative evangelicalism to counterbalance that. That all happened directly after Reagan. Like Reagan didn’t care. Yeah, himself one way or the other. But, you know, subsequent presidents have on all sides of the political aisle. So interesting. You would never think something like that would get political impactful.

All right. Well, I’ve had a great conversation with you. This has been very fascinating. And I’m sure people can see, like with the sensory issues that we talked about in the planners and like all the ways where they’re like, yes, me too. That’s that’s what I love about these interviews and these conversations is I want people to see, like, you’re not weird, like you’re not alone and it’s okay.

And there’s ways that we can deal with these things and also see that like, you know, like I said with my husband, like there’s there can be some guilt there and that’s okay. And I can just let that go and go. All right. So it hurts my ears when he whistles. Yeah. It’s okay. Like he loves you. Yeah, exactly.

So. Exactly. And I can watch the way I react about it. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, but where can people find you if they want to? Like, work with you or what? I know you have a freebie, right? Yeah. Yeah. So the easiest way is just to go to my website. So it’s so for coaching dot org. So. So you will forge like the blacksmith for coaching dot org and there I’ve got a freebie that you can download.

It’s called one many pathways one journey and it’s some really easy simple everyone can do it. ADHD friendly ways to connect to the divine in a very busy world in your stream. All right. And how about are you on Instagram? I am on Instagram. I’m revdrkaty r e v d r k a t y . None of those are spelled the way you would think it would be, so I’ll make sure that you get the link.

You will and my editor will put it right up on the screen so everybody can it. If you’re on YouTube, if you’re not on YouTube, check out the show notes. It’ll be there. But yeah, I just want to thank you for coming on today. I appreciate it so much. I appreciate it, too.